No literal 24-hour creation days. They got that right. Days are eons, periods of time, long ones, old-earth creationists.
jonathan dough
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Were Jehovah's Witnesses Correct In ANYTHING They Taught?
by minimus inor are they as correct as any other false religion?.
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Theocratic warfare
by marriedtoajw inwhat is theocratic warfare exactly as it is taught by the watchtower?
are all jw's instructed to apply it?
how is it applied and to what degree and in what circumstances?
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jonathan dough
Its another word for lying!
Who is the father of the lie? Speaking to the unbelieving Jews, Jesus at John 8:44 said, "You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies." The JWs should rethink their rationale.
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Tampering with the COUNTDOWN CLOCK of Armageddon
by Terry in1. charles taze russell was not a jehovah's witness (because judge rutherford had not invented the term as yet); he was a 2nd adventist (wannabe).. .
2. adventists were hung up on one idea that they could not let go of no matter how many times they were proved wrong: end times date-setting.. 3.pastor russell threw every gimmick he could cobble together into creating a personal theology for sale using books and magazines through his publishing house.
dispensation charts, pyramidology, claims of inside information (fds bullshit) created a fanbase of customers.. 4. the eventual prediction for the end of the world was 1914 since jesus had already returned.
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jonathan dough
$100.00 says the earth will keep on long after we're gone. If all goes well I'll be around into my 90s, another 30 years at least, any of you Burned earth-christians want to take up the bet.
Who said a burned earth has to happen in our lifetime? It could be a hundred years from now, or a thousand, though I think that doubtful. I can't imagine World War III and all the rest waiting that long. It will be here soon enough. Patience.
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1914 pyramid prediction explained on History channel......
by EndofMysteries ini was watching "the nostradamus effect" episode - "doomsday hieroglyphs" the other day.
i was shocked when they began speaking about (no names mentioned) of those who believed that measurements of the giza pyramid to predict the end of the world.
they showed charts and how that scenario hit 1914 to a certain part, then the entire measurements end at september of 2011. .
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jonathan dough
Cal it what you want, it's all part of the occult.
Anyone considering joining the religion of the Jehovah's Witnesses, or current members of this group, are generally unfamiliar with its early history, the beliefs and practices of its founder Charles Taze Russell and to a lesser extent Joseph F. Rutherford. The Watchtower Society goes to great lengths to distance itself from Russell and his teachings as they are now considered anathema, and bizarre. The foundational tenets of the faith are so different from today's religion that the Russell-era organization is virtually unrecognizable.
Much of the old doctrine has been thrown out and would be condemned as seeped in the occult and clearly pagan today, and for good reason, because such conduct and beliefs are unscriptural and prohibited. Harsh words, no doubt, but facts speak for themselves and explain to a great extent some of today's questionable doctrine and practices. Try as the Jehovah's Witnesses do, there is no escaping their occult pagan past. Potential converts are forewarned and are advised to study these issues carefully. Below are numerous websites devoted to exposing the Jehovah's Witnesses' deep connection with the occult and its pagan origins.
This documented historical connection with the occult is evident in several ways. Russell relied heavily on astrological predictions and signs of the zodiac. Rutherford believed that Jehovah most likely resided in the Pleiades constellation. Many of Rutherford and Russell's false predictions were calculated based on alignment and measurement of ancient Egyptian pyramids relying in essence on the powers of the occult. A small pyramid was erected next to Russell's grave as a memorial to his life and work. The satanic All-Seeing Eye of occult worship adorns Russell's memorial pyramid, and early Watchtower publications incorporate Masonic symbolism to a great degree. Furthermore, the Divine Plan of the Ages, an early Watchtower book, is adorned with the Winged Sun Disc, an Egyptian religious symbol of pagan origins and false worship.
The Jehovahs Witnesses can run from their occult past, but they can't hide. Nor can they sweep these truths under the rug of their New Light Doctrine. Due to such an un-biblical foundation that continued well into the 1920s, it is inconceivable that Jesus Christ chose the Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as their sole representatives on earth due to the purity of their faith.http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/occult_jehovahs_witnesses.html
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Outright Misrepresentations of Quotes and Citations in Watchtower Literature
by Londo111 inthe research of doug mason, annomaly, and others have been eye opening in regards to the society's recent articles on 607 bc.
what i find most disturbing is the misrepresentations of scholars, who are quoted in such a way to say one thing, when they meant something completely different.
it is one thing to teach a doctrine, and quite another to play fast and loose with the truth.
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jonathan dough
I don't have it offhand but in Colossians ch. 1 where the JWs insert several times the word [other] in brackets, so that the Word was, i.e. "before all [other] things," when they quote those same verses in the Insight books they don't bother to use the quotes but simply write the Word was "before all other things" without the "other" brackets, thereby leaving the impression that is what the Bible actually says. Highly deceptive and misleading. I'll try to find it. They misquote much in the article "Should You Believe in the Trinity?" Someone actually dedicated a website to those misquotes.
Here's one: http://www.neirr.org/believeintrinity.htm
And here are 10 blatant misquotes:
http://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-jw-deceptions-top-ten-list-start.htm
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Tampering with the COUNTDOWN CLOCK of Armageddon
by Terry in1. charles taze russell was not a jehovah's witness (because judge rutherford had not invented the term as yet); he was a 2nd adventist (wannabe).. .
2. adventists were hung up on one idea that they could not let go of no matter how many times they were proved wrong: end times date-setting.. 3.pastor russell threw every gimmick he could cobble together into creating a personal theology for sale using books and magazines through his publishing house.
dispensation charts, pyramidology, claims of inside information (fds bullshit) created a fanbase of customers.. 4. the eventual prediction for the end of the world was 1914 since jesus had already returned.
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jonathan dough
You're deluding yourself. And you won't be the one getting the last laugh.
The earth is destined for fire and complete destruction which is made clear by 2 Peter 3:10,11: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a mighty roar and the elements will be dissolved by fire and the earth and everything in it will be found out. ... everything is to be dissolved this way," (NAB; "Total destruction is assumed (11)," notes 3,10). "...the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat" (2 Peter 3:12). "But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men" (2 Peter 3:7). Peter's warning reemphasized Zephaniah's warning, where the ancient prophet transmitted the Almighty's words, "I will utterly consume all things from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah. I will consume man and beast; I will consume the birds of the heavens, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked; and I will cut off man from off the face of the ground, saith Jehovah" (Zephaniah 1:2,3)
Complete destruction of man on earth is intended. " Their blood will be poured out like dust and their entrails like dung. 18 Neither their silver nor their gold will be able to save them on the day of the LORD’s wrath.” In the fire of his jealousy the whole earth will be consumed, for he will make a sudden end of all who live on the earth (Zephaniah 1:17, 18). The Jehovah's Witnesses theory that they alone, their great crowd, will survive Armageddon and be ruled from heaven by the 144,000 is simply not in accord with Scripture. -
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Im a mormon
by deservingone26 inim a mormon now and have been one for the last 3 months.
at first i really liked it but now i am starting to have 2nd thoughts, i grew up as a jehovahs witness and was disfellowshiped at 19 i really started to look for a new church in july of this year.
i started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.
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jonathan dough
I started out in a christian church which i really liked but i didnt understand the jesus as god thing/trinity.
You jumped from one cult to another. Mormons are as crazy as JWs in their theology; truly amazing heresy.
The Trinity and the Jesus as God thing you speak of should not trip you up because it is easy to understand, sort of, and is very logical. Really. 2 billion Christians aren't wrong on this. Just take your time and read it through and think about it. It's logical and scriptural, and it is reasonable for believers to have faith in the trinity. The problem is that you have been mislead into believing what the trinity doctrine teaches; greatly mislead. Throw away the lies and it will start to fall into place.
It is all right here:
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A view of Philippians 2:6-11
by Doug Mason inthe christ hymn in philippians 2:6-11.
(the authentic letters of paul, arthur j. dewey and others, pages 194 -196).
several of the terms used in verses 6 to 8 echo the terminology found in the story of the creation and fall of adam in genesis 1 and 3 in the greek translation of the hebrew bible (the septuagint) that paul and all of the authors of the writings that comprise the new testament knew and used.
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jonathan dough
Prior to His incarnation Christ subsisted in the form (morphe) of God - (Philippians 2:6)[Top]
Philippians 2:6 is considered strong evidence that the Word was God. Verses 1-11 clarify that it is a plea for unity and humility, with Christ Jesus’ “humbling of self and obedience to the point of death” as the exemplary attitude true believers should emulate (NAB notes 2,1-11).
Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus,
Who, though he was in the form of God,
did not regard equality with God
something to be grasped.
Rather, he emptied himself,
becoming obedient to death,
even death on a cross. (Ephesians 2:5-8 NAB)The Jehovah’s Witnesses argue that these verses are not grounds for equating the Word with God, and focus their analysis on the latter part of verse 6 which reads “…who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped (NAB; “gave no consideration for a seizure” NWT; “thought it not robbery to be equal with God” NKJV). They teach that “robbery” (Greek harpagmos) does not convey the idea of holding in possession or retention in the sense of holding on to equality, but that it means to seize or snatch violently (Reasoning, 420). Therefore, Christ was not holding on, or trying to hold on, to equality with God but thought it as something that could not or should not be attained or grasped or reached for, being only a man.
Strong and Vine’s disagrees with their assessment and applies “robbery” (harpagmos) in a different way that comports more with the context of the entire sentence and accompanying verses. “At Philippians 2:6 “robbery” (harpagmos), “as a verb, means “to seize, carry off by force” (Strong and Vine’s, 42). “The middle/passive sense gives meaning to the passage as the purpose of the passage is to set forth Christ as the supreme example to the Philippians (and us) of humility and self-renunciation: “Who though He was subsisting in the essential form of God, yet did not regard His being on an equality of glory and majesty with God as a prize and a treasure to be held fast, he would not feel as if He had been robbed to give up His shared glory” (ibid., 42). Strong and Vine’s application of “robbery” (harpagmos) is diametrically opposed to the Jehovah’s Witnesses’ use of that same term.
In all fairness to the Jehovah’s Witnesses it should be noted that there are at least two views on the matter, one of which agrees with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. With reference to Philippians 2:6 the Catholic New American Bible (NAB) states that it is:
Either a reference to Christ’s preexistence and those aspects of divinity that he was willing to give up in order to serve in human form, or to what the man Jesus refused to grasp at to attain divinity. Many see an allusion to the Genesis story: unlike Adam, Jesus, though … in the form of God (Gn 1, 26-27), did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast with the first Adam in Gn 3, 5-6.
So, equality with God is something Christ was willing to relinquish, or as the Jehovah’s Witnesses interpret verse 6, Christ gave no consideration to seizing or grasping for equality with God.
The Jehovah’s Witnesses, however, have utterly missed the point again by focusing on the wrong issue. Equality within the immanent Godhead is not established by the Word relinquishing it prior to His incarnation or grasping for it as a man after He became incarnate. Even though the latter part of verse 6 assumes His equality one way or the other, the first part establishes that assumed equality because the Word existed in the “form” of God. Focusing on “robbery” or “seizure” or “grasping” in order to determine the Word’s equality with God detracts from the primary issue of Christ’s subsisting in God’s “form” (morphe).
That His existing in God’s form equates Him with God is only emphasized by His stated “equality” (verse 6) regardless of whether it could be retained by God the Son or grasped for by the created humanity of Jesus.
“Form” (Greek morphe) denotes “the special or characteristic form or feature” of a person or thing; … it is used with particular significance in the NT only of Christ … in Phil 2:6, “being in the form of God,” and … 2:7 “taking the form of a servant” (Strong and Vine’s, 167).
An excellent definition of the word is: morphe is therefore properly the nature or essence, not in the abstract, but as actually subsisting in the individual, and retained as long as the individual itself exists …. (3a) Thus in the passage before us morphe Theou is the Divine nature actually and inseparably subsisting in the person of Christ …. (b) For the interpretation of ‘the Form of God’ it is sufficient to say that (3b1) it includes the whole nature and essence of Deity, and is inseparable from them, since they could have no actual existence without it; and (3b2) that it does not include in itself anything ‘accidental’ or separable, such as particular modes of manifestation, or conditions of glory and majesty, which may at one time be attached to the ‘form,’ at another separated from it ….
(4) The true meaning of morphe in the expression “form of God” is confirmed by its recurrence in the corresponding phrase “form of a servant.” It is universally admitted that the two phrases are directly antithetical, and that “form” must therefore have the same sense in both. (Strong and Vine’s, 167)
In other words, if the Word existed in the form of a servant He was that servant, and if the Word existed in the form of God He was that God. This complete similarity, the consubstantial existence, includes of necessity the divine person Christ’s eternal existence and all other relevant characteristics of the immanent triune God - the “fullness” of the Godhead. Had the Word been created, the imprint or stamp (Hebrews 1:3) would have been far less than “complete,” or “whole.”
The Jehovah’s Witnesses want you to believe that Jesus was not God because he did not consider seizing or acquiring equality with God, which would mean he was just a man, and therefore He could not be God. But at the expense of repetition, Trinitarians hold that the created humanity of Jesus is not God, and accordingly His grasping for equality has no bearing on whether God the Son, the preexistent Word, was divine, which is the primary issue. Conversely, if “robbery” or “seizure” or “grasping” refers to Christ hanging on to equality Christ would have to be equal because it says he was equal and because He was in the form of God. As such, the created Jesus’ thoughts and actions would have been immaterial in proving or disproving His preexistent equality. Philippians 2:6 means in part:
Christ possessed equality with God prior to His incarnation, and then for a time veiled that glory, being always God in all of the co-equal attributes, but in the incarnation never using His Godly powers to better Himself. He was fully God, fully man, God taking on the likeness of sinful flesh (Rom 8:3), not a man adding Godliness. (Strong and Vine’s, 42)
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OVERLAPPING GENERATION Written Review
by blondie inhttp://www.jehovahs-witness.net/search?cx=partner-pub-4963413421914369%3ag5in7s-4bz3&cof=forid%3a10&ie=iso-8859-1&q=overlapping&siteurl=www.jehovahs-witness.net%2fsearch.
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many threads on the overlapping generation...how do you explain it briefly to a ex-jw or jw on the edge?.
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jonathan dough
http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/1914_generation_jehovahs_witnesses.html
Many websites devoted to it here.
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The "Generation." what is the latest New Light Regarding It? CO from Fresno Area Confused Me!
by AvocadoJake inthe co who is covering the central valley, mentioned how easy this concept is to understand.
in his talk, he said many of the friends had made a "big deal, over little.
he used the "titanic analogy, used the space shuttle analogy.
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jonathan dough
Much information here. Many websites devoted to it. Here's a list.
http://www.144000.110mb.com/directory/1914_generation_jehovahs_witnesses.html